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Fully Self-Insured Is Not Same As Large Deductible Program


Workers Comp Like a Fully Self-Insured Part III

Are you fully self-insured in a large deductible program?  Let us look at the mechanics of having a deductible.

Large Deductible Programs

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We have received many emails and calls from employers with Large Deductible programs. The number of clients we have with Large Deductible programs has grown phenomenally over the past few years. Most of them want to become fully self-insured which is a great option. That will be covered in the next post.

Large Deductible programs require/allow an employer to set a deductible of $250,000 or $500,000 with an aggregate number of say $5,000,000. If a single claim goes over the single claim limit or all the claims exceed the total aggregate, then regular Workers Comp insurance would kick in to pay the claims.

The employer pays their claims under the limits out-of-pocket and their claims are handled by a TPA. This is very close to the goal of being fully self-insured. The companies must be large enough for a carrier to set up this type of agreement.

A large amount of premium dollars can be saved by paying claims out-of-pocket. However, there is one surprise that occurs with Large Deductible programs. We are contacted often when this occurs. EVEN THOUGH YOU ARE IN A LARGE DEDUCTIBLE PROGRAM, ALL CLAIMS ARE STILL REPORTED TO THE NCCI OR STATE RATING BUREAU. PLEASE DO NOT THINK YOUR E-MOD IS REDUCED BECAUSE YOU ARE PAYING THE CLAIMS DIRECTLY OUT OF YOUR BUDGET.

I have an NCCI Experience Rating Report for a large trucker right in front of me now. They were told by their agent that the E-Mod can be reduced by being a Large Deductible. That is not true and can heavily affect how the Large Deductible Program is written. This may also be an impediment when an employer tries to become fully self-insured.

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James J Moore - Workers Comp Expert

Raleigh, NC, United States

About The Author...

James founded a Workers’ Compensation consulting firm, J&L Risk Management Consultants, Inc. in 1996. J&L’s mission is to reduce our clients’ Workers Compensation premiums by using time-tested techniques. J&L’s claims, premium, reserve and Experience Mod reviews have saved employers over $9.8 million in earned premiums over the last three years. J&L has saved numerous companies from bankruptcy proceedings as a result of insurance overpayments.

James has over 27 years of experience in insurance claims, audit, and underwriting, specializing in Workers’ Compensation. He has supervised, and managed the administration of Workers’ Compensation claims, and underwriting in over 45 states. His professional experience includes being the Director of Risk Management for the North Carolina School Boards Association. He created a very successful Workers’ Compensation Injury Rehabilitation Unit for school personnel.

James’s educational background, which centered on computer technology, culminated in earning a Masters of Business Administration (MBA); an Associate in Claims designation (AIC); and an Associate in Risk Management designation (ARM). He is a Chartered Financial Consultant (ChFC) and a licensed financial advisor. The NC Department of Insurance has certified him as an insurance instructor. He also possesses a Bachelors’ Degree in Actuarial Science.

LexisNexis has twice recognized his blog as one of the Top 25 Blogs on Workers’ Compensation. J&L has been listed in AM Best’s Preferred Providers Directory for Insurance Experts – Workers Compensation for over eight years. He recently won the prestigious Baucom Shine Lifetime Achievement Award for his volunteer contributions to the area of risk management and safety. James was recently named as an instructor for the prestigious Insurance Academy.

James is on the Board of Directors and Treasurer of the North Carolina Mid-State Safety Council. He has published two manuals on Workers’ Compensation and three different claims processing manuals. He has also written and has been quoted in numerous articles on reducing Workers’ Compensation costs for public and private employers. James publishes a weekly newsletter with 7,000 readers.

He currently possess press credentials and am invited to various national Workers Compensation conferences as a reporter.

James’s articles or interviews on Workers’ Compensation have appeared in the following publications or websites:

  • Risk and Insurance Management Society (RIMS)
  • Entrepreneur Magazine
  • Bloomberg Business News
  • WorkCompCentral.com
  • Claims Magazine
  • Risk & Insurance Magazine
  • Insurance Journal
  • Workers Compensation.com
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  • Various trade publications


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